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If 1% of voters write in “Aleister Crowley,” then his message of Liberty will be heard around the world, as amazed media report a groundswell of support for someone they thought was not only dead and British, but still the wickedest man in the world.
Even if you don’t live in the U.S., or if you don’t actually plan to write in Crowley, that is no reason not to promote this campaign! At the very least, it is a great conversation starter, and in any case you will be helping to spread Crowley’s fundamental message of freedom, and his declaration of the sovereignty of the individual.
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Even if you don’t live in the U.S., or if you don’t actually plan to write in Crowley, that is no reason not to promote this campaign! At the very least, it is a great conversation starter, and in any case you will be helping to spread Crowley’s fundamental message of freedom, and his declaration of the sovereignty of the individual.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:35 AMThis post has generated a lot of discussion on the 2012 tribe:
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 11:11 AMnice ~ it's all about getting conversation started IMHO :)
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 11:55 AMyeah, i'm kinda running with it, lol...
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:54 PMI Would Vote.:)
Bliss!
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:37 AMwhy would you promote this? isnt this just another way to split a party that's
better off voting in unison for the most appropriate candidate to suit its
needs? if you actually do this you are being an idiot, and you've wasted your
Will and time completely, please vote for the LIVING candidate whom
best suits your beliefs and opinions, and when we come to finals
please vote for one of the two "contestants" , yes I know choices are limited,
and in reality your choosing from any of these 2! things on earth you want
here in the freedom cage, and it sucks.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:48 AMVote for Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachmann 2012
That's the ticket, yeah, baby!
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 10:24 AMwhy would you promote this?
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so many reasons ~ just starting a conversation like this is one of them...
if you only believe in a 2 party system YOU are more of a problem than Sarah Palin is ~ IMO the best way to get away from a system where we are stuck with candidates like Ms. Palin is to EXPAND our horizons, rather than relegate ourselves to a dualistic dilemma, carved in stone by so-called-representatives who have no real connection to the population they pretend to represent
if you bothered to read the link, which by your ill-informed post, I'm going to go ahead & hazard a guess that you haven't, before responding ~ you would have easily seen that even the originators of this idea plainly say that one does not need to actually write in Aleister on the ballot, in order to spread his message of liberty ~ please respond to posts responsibly
it seems to me that you are buying into the myth that voting for who/what you really want rather than one of the 2 pre-packaged 'choices' is what brings suffering to the USA ~ if so, you are giving away your power to people who will gladly take what is yours & use it for themselves
don't get me wrong ~ I'm not saying that if you vote for one of the major candidates, you are a sheep ~ I'm saying that if you wall yourself in to believing that YOUR ONLY CHOICE is to vote for one of them, then you have already done yourself (& the world) much more damage than any politician could ever do!
the good news is that it is always possible to change your mind (although admittedly challenging, sometimes) & take back your power by learning & practicing to exercise your true will ~ Uncle Al is there for you in all of these matters
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:35 PMblah blah blah Mary. This page does indeed encourage people to write in "Aleister Crowley"
on the ballot at the next election, in plain english.
Are you upset about our systems?go change it then! change the system! YOU have the power!
until then you actually need to use your vote
for the *most appropriate* candidate, and encourage others to do so.
Please print up a flier,to spread your message, and do not toy with the elections, believe it or not
they may be more important than your message.(we are all crow heads here)
It is clueless self appointed radicals spouting recycled propaganda in public places
whom are begging so from the soul to call the people around you to the fact that you are
indeed unique and different complete with your own beliefs that you are scheming and shoving them
down peoples throats like yourself whom make the rest of us look bad.
Perhaps your christian upbringing in a christian society has caused you to have
an inherent need to spread the word of "Crowley the baptist" to the people you perceive as savages.
People will happen upon the work of Crowley and Thelema with their own Will
at their own desire to do so, it may also be presented by a mentor,on a personal basis,
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 1:10 PMI'm with J.
If anything, we should all write in our own names or leave the write-in box blank or something, but even that just makes some empty statement. Crowley is dead.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 1:11 PMJ. ~
if you don't want to actually read & attempt to understand what other people write, you are welcome to leave
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 1:42 PMIndeed I did read it, twice, i understood well, did you?
It is indeed asking people to play with the electoral system in order
to spread their religion,which is fundamentally wrong.
I would expect this from a Mormon,or a Jehovah's witness, NOT Thelema.
I will go where and say or do as I please, by my best judgment. dear lady,
your welcome is the least of matters as mine is in your case as well.
I'm sure you'll make a great cult member one day,
for they will give you a cause to run in unison,
with the other followers, under someone else's will.
wake up , think, love, will it to be so, should you truly desire.
Happy Halloween all! sorry to bring up an argument on a holiday!
Tribe is rife with political spammers, and it's getting ridiculous.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:58 AM
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 12:04 PMHow is it wrong to send any message with the electoral system? Isn't it free speech? Would you outlaw it?
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:16 PMClosed; materialistic minds believe in death'
Following the Path of the Prophets' shows the Beast is alive an Kicking! .:)
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:36 PMYeah, but try getting *Aleister Crowley* to actually veto something or sign something into law on the *current political plane*. Sounds dumber than dumb to me. Mixing the planes, etc.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:48 PMWell vote for whom you like an stick "Crowley" on an plant A Seed'
Then let the Spirit do the Walking'
Bliss!
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 3:05 PMNow *that* seems to be more promising.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 10:55 AMwe had 8 years of his grandchild - isn't that enough? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 1:44 PM
John Cappelletti and GW Bush are cousins, grandsons of Aleister Crowley.
Bush read, "My Pet Goat" as the towers came down.
John Cappelletti planted the explosives in the WTC for Silverstein for $7 billion insurance (fraud).
John (witch) crafted Penn State, Heisman & LA Rams (male goat), in honor of the grandfather Crowley and their bids to be the anti-christ.
Barbara Bush & Ann Cappelletti are the illegitimate daughters of Aleister Crowley.
Pauline Pierce left her children to go to stay w friend & Harris, Crowley, (google, Barbara Bush' Aleister Crowley)
Pauline returned to the U.S. in October, gave birth to Barbara in June 1924.
GW Bush and John Cappelletti are grandsons of Crowley'
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 7:46 PMI'd believe that if i saw proof, I'm inclined to believe it anyways
given Crowley's sexual reputation of that day and age
and the known fact of her visit with him.
but so what? in that case George Bush is nothing to brag about
for those who promote Crowley, I'd rather this stayed a secret if it is indeed true.
my pet goat. ugh of course . earth is corrupted i call a do- over
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:59 AM
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 12:03 PM"isnt this just another way to split a party that's better off voting in unison for the most appropriate candidate to suit its needs?"
Some of us think that Aleister Crowley is the most appropriate candidate to vote for. Why not just let people vote their conscience, and be happy they voted, rather than accusing people of spoiling for some other team? Also you seem to be unaware that many conservatives are into AC, and that this AC 2012 campaign is now being used in other countries besides the U.S.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 12:08 PMI like the top ten reasons:
ac2012.wordpress.com/2009/10...in-2012/
"Looking for a way to stir up controversy at the next party you attend? Mention AC2012 to a couple partisan voters and watch the sparks fly!"
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 2:20 PMThis is ridiculous.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 4:55 PMI agree. I don't vote for corpses. Duh.
Thelema doesn't have to be voted for – it doesn't compete, it just wins.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 5:58 PMWell I think it is hilarious LOL
Anyway looks like it's not even really about the vote...
ac2012.wordpress.com/2009/10...mitment/
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 7:28 PMWent to the links, and I do like how the whole thing is presented. If anything, saying the challenge to people I meet and when I answer the phone seems like the way to go for me. Crowley is not the easiest pill to swallow for a lot of people, but the Law is for All. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:08 AMit's not about crowley, it's about thelema... geez, can we get some magick happening without issues?
the law is for all, but first folks need to know about it!
i'm with mem on this one for sure-- boxed choices is old news.
liber oz is the way-
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:23 AM"it's not about crowley, it's about thelema..."
Ironically, *that* was my issue, lol.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 7:48 AM"the law is for all, but first folks need to know about it! "
That's the point, it's not for all, it may be for you
but that doesn't mean its for everyone else too.
That statement sounds very much like the catholic church back in the day.
Almost as if you have declared to force it upon people.
I am seeing "Thelema warriors" and "Thelema rollers"
with little pamphlets at the door on a Sunday, offering the "way" just creepy.
You see how you've changed the religion ,but not the box it comes in.
It's Christianity themed, based, Thelema , your making a business out of it.
It was that blind absolution ,exclusiveness, self superiority, and lack of tolerance
that drove Crowley from the Catholic church at a young age in the first place,
and this school of thinking leads ultimately to the demise of KNOWLEDGE as a whole.
Attacking the electoral system would certainly be seen in a negative way
by the majority of people, and then you've cast that negative light on Thelema, forever.
And that's not fair to the rest of us, or to Aleister Crowley , or his WORK.
It is good that there are choices to make about religion today,
You all may do as thou will, but don't forget everyone else
has that birth right as well ,under your own beliefs.
Celebrate diversity, even if you are a minority, recognize that although Thelema
may not agree with most people, that they have already accepted the law,
by making their own choices and forming their own opinions.
even if you did spread Thelema, it wouldn't make everyone just like yourself .
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:12 AMCommunication is not oppression. Voting is not attacking the electoral system.
You seem to have a problem with people being free to communicate their ideas.
Check out Khabs Am Pekht, or the Progradior Correspondence, or Crowley's letters to Jones if you want to know what Crowley actually said about handing out pamphlets. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:02 PMno Joseph, I am just taking a realistic stance on this issue in particular.
The idea that you can do a complete overhaul on society in this manner is a lofty one.
The worst thing about Christianity is the way it spreads, and you want to copy that?
Nevertheless toying with the electoral system in large numbers is wasteful,
pointless , disrespectful, and irresponsible, that's not an opinion, it's fact.
as far as the pamphlets go I was speaking figuratively , please re-read.
For some reason some people can't handle someone disagreeing here
This argument could go on for years, if I were still moderator here
I would have deleted it as spam, but I gave that privilege away a few years ago.
And yet again, you may do as you wish entirely, but please remember that
when you speak for Thelema publicly that you also speak for the rest of
the Thelemites on earth, therefor speak only for yourself, and do what thou will.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:14 PM"if I were still moderator here I would have deleted it as spam, but I gave that privilege away a few years ago."
Good thing you gave up moderating this tribe, then.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:04 PMThis is literary garbage.
and duh that's the whole point
that's why I am expressing mine,
and you are expressing yours.
I created this tribe not for anyone in particular,
it is about A. crowley literature, fact or fiction,and the discussion thereof.
i actually wrote the only stipulation of this particular tribe,
"Discussion of Crowley literature, fact, theory, spiritual, or fiction.
Commentary on the value of such, insights and personal interpretations welcome. "
Not political campaigning, religious spamming,product sales or anything else.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:22 PMYou're not going to vote for Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachmann 2012, as I suggested above? Oh, good. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 3:11 PMYou're kidding. I'm voting for .........
Oprah!
undeniably i have a chicken addiction, and she
really promises free chicken to the masses.
kidding , I always vote for Willie Nelson.
kidding again, I voted for Leonard Nemoy .
kidding again ,I'm voting for you!
lol sarah palin. now that's ridiculous.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 11:01 PMThere's a lot of discussion about Crowley literature over on AC2012 isn't there? And there seems to be a lot of discussion about it here. What's the problem? You just don't like it?
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:15 PMwhen you speak for Thelema publicly that you also speak for the rest of the Thelemites on earth, <<< WOW!!!!
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:51 PMAt this point i am sorry i gave you the time of day on this argument,
no one else did , I will try and follow their lead, and ignore those who
seek to pester others , you're obviously just antagonizing me here.
Why does my opinion frustrate you so?
before this conversation degrades any further degrees
for lack of a better reply, just whatever.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 11:11 PM"The idea that you can do a complete overhaul on society in this manner is a lofty one. "
What are you talking about? I just think the blog is cool and funny and informative.
"The worst thing about Christianity is the way it spreads, and you want to copy that?"
What? I thought the worst thing about Christianity was its slave morality and superstition, and like, original sin and vicarious atonement. You're telling me their pamphleteering is the worst part? And where did I say I wanted to copy them? I think I pointed to Crowley's writings on the subject, not Paul.
"Nevertheless toying with the electoral system in large numbers is wasteful,"
Don't you trust people to vote according to their conscience? (I'm also marveling that you think this somehow is going to sway large numbers of voters... are you serious???)
"pointless , disrespectful, and irresponsible, that's not an opinion, it's fact. "
No that really is an opinion, I promise.
"when you speak for Thelema publicly that you also speak for the rest of the Thelemites on earth"
Where have I spoken for Thelema? Crowley speaks for Thelema just fine.
"therefor speak only for yourself, and do what thou will."
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:01 AMI call "done" on myself where any further conversation with
a certain few folk here on this topic in particular.
It has become an argument, some are to immature
to withhold direct personal insult, some are muddying the topic.
Time to choose battles,and this one is unworthy.
Using the electoral system for reasons other than to elect an official in the nation in which you reside
is pointless , disrespectful, and irresponsible, that's not an opinion, it's a fact, you see some things
arent opinions, they are facts, if i hit you in the eye, that would be painful, and mean, and un-called for,
and that would be a fact, i may be of the opinion that you deserved it, but that wouldn't make it "nice".
It is also a fact that when you speak publicly for (in this case, as) any group of people, that the public
as a whole pastes what you say onto the heads of anyone else involved, again, fact.
That is a fact , please learn the difference, before you're claiming opinion on all sorts of important
facts, overlooking them,and getting yourself in trouble.
And remember not to let personal feelings get the better of you and stray you from your goals.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 12:32 AMIf the battle is so unworthy then why do you try to have the last word?
I think your ideas about what constitutes facts vs. opinions are very strange. I observe a point to the campaign, therefore it is not objectively pointless. It does not appear irresponsible to me either, nor can I imagine what objective measure you would use to establish that. I think that it is disrespectful but so is any parody. What's your beef?
Where has anyone personally insulted you? Perhaps I missed it.
How is anyone speaking for anyone else? Where has anyone said "all Thelemites..." at any point? I mean, other than you.
I also don't see anyone getting into trouble. Who is in trouble? With whom?
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 12:55 AMOh my'
What a load of waffling bullshit'
AC would no doubt laugh at the stupidity of the stroked egos here'
The LAW is only as good as those that understand it'
Most folks have no clue of the cypher in passage 76' so of what use would Thelema be to them ?
Quite probably most folks here have no clue of the meaning of the cypher also'
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How can you profess to study Thelema if you have no clue of how it was written' or even know of how to follow the path of the prophets'
How many here actualy know the meaning of 93 93 93'
Other than being parrots with statements of Love is the LAW' love under Will'
How many of you actualy know of what you are speaking about ?
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Even professing the number of the beast is 666' shows that you know no thing of AC's work'
Seeing as the number of the beast is 616'
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 8:37 AMJust wondering - are Thelemites and Crowley-fanciers always so humourless?
If True Will were introduced to the political process - heck, just introduce it into daily living - the world would be a vastly altered (and probably much better ) place.
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 8:42 AMhehehe Thanks for the reminder' Love is the LAW' we forget that little bit often also'
Blessings
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 12:45 PM:)
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 5:57 PMIf True Will were introduced to the political process - heck, just introduce it into daily living - the world would be a vastly altered (and probably much better ) place. <<
good golly miss molly!
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:11 PM"the law is for all, but first folks need to know about it! "
That's the point, it's not for all, it may be for you
but that doesn't mean its for everyone else too. <<<
your issues are bigger than mine, it seems. you're clearly choosing to read into this with angst. bored much?
That statement sounds very much like the catholic church back in the day.<<<
pissy pants. you're the creepy one. but you're entitled! :)
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 7:39 PMI confess that I once voted for William Godwin as a write in candidate for President. I had three good reasons for my vote:
1. He doesn't want to be President, which is probably the best qualification for the position.
2. As an anarchist, he wouldn't do anything if elected, which would surely be an improvement.
3. As he's been dead since 1836, he couldn't possibly do any harm.
Conclusion: It would be hard to find a more perfect Presidential candidate. Especially after some of the pinheads we've seen in the Oval office lately.
With love under will,
Bob, Adastra,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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Re: Aleister Crowley for President in 2012
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 10:05 PMProbably the only candidate that could possibly do any good, dead and all.
